mikerol an Gregor Keuschnig 2006-06-11 23:31 (Gast) - 2006-06-12 15:39
Your entry strikes me as perfectly fine. Maybe you ought to post a section of it with the link, at the Zeit forum. You are obviously a product of the German educational system, neither of which nor the American ever made it possible for me to write this efficient scholarly prose. Something in me resists in being able to put matters this way, much as I have learned and admired from the procedure.
Just a few comments. the title "gerechtigkeit fuer serbien" the editors of the Sueddeutsche gave to "winterliche reise", handke has disavowed those pretensions from the very beginning, though if you read the text, the impulse to disbelieve the simple media generated tale that the serbs were to blame was one reason he sat off on his trip....
"am felsfenster morgens" contains a couple of entries noting how "cold" people had become towards each other in yugoslavia in the late 80s...
there are some wonderful long stretches, also a lot of very funny stuff, in NIEMANDSBUCHT, about Yugoslavia... one lover in particular..
there is a lot of material at the http://handkeyugo.scriptmania.com site, also a couple of piece of mine in english... i was rather skeptical initially of what my man was up to, since i had spent three years in mexico, and i had to get back up to speed on that, best as i could, but then i had a university library, and the net... handke of course was extremely "tetchey" as the brits say... and blew up on any number of occasions... i think i have a good idea why... the way the entire debate is conducted with the foregone conclusion that m. was a dictator responsible for most of the atrocities... it just goes to show that there is no escaping mass medianization i suppose
one might look at the whole mess there as a matter of several discrete things:
the tenuous federation...
the tensions religious and political with the past being more present than it is say, in the united states, where the expression "you're history" means that you have been consigned to the realm of forgetfulness from one day to the next, and are not meant to hold grudges...
the failure of Yugoslav socialism to deliver... especially so with the bananas that everyone enjoyed in the west...
a new generation, who then became the para militaries of all kinds...that was one of the first telegenic matters i recall impinging on my being back in the early 90s...
the decision by the u.s. to stop supporting the federation with the end of the cold war. what was it 100 million or more a year. probably more.
the germans and then the french reconizing the centrifugal impulses, in the instance of croatia of a successor regime to the ustacha i think was its ww 2 name. i spent ww 2 in germany, secreted way in castles, until the very last year when it was fairly safe to live betwen bremen and bremerhafen.. and quite a few cities in yugoslavia on the radio dial appeared there with german names...
then the various intercessions by the americans lending military help to the croations to defend themselves again the serbians/ yugoslav national army which had the bigger guns and larger tank corps; the importation of some 4,000 i think mujahadeem to helpt the bosnian muslims... the dayton accords... the preventive kosovo war... to teach milo and the yugoslavs a lesson once and for all.... with the result of a ruined kosovo... a tenuous bosnian muslim state where everyone is being forced to live with each other, something that the people felt they could no longer do which is why they "cleansed' each other... it is very suprising really that nation wide, except for slovenia, so much violence erupted and that it took such force to put it down... roving bands of all kinds everywhere... it is not too surprising that it is so much easier to blame one man who from what i was able to discern from the trial did a rather fine job of defending himself but had particularly unclean hands in internal serbian politcal affairs, if anyone had clean hands.. i rather admire handke for his ability to think and write and experience in non-journalistic terms... and so i support hubert spiegels wish that he delivers his heine prize speech somewhere in absentia... but the way the "konsens" seems to have been arrived at in germany among the "greens" that handke is somehow guilty here. he's guilty all right, as who isn't , but of entirely other matters.
the stueck zum film uber den krieg is a pretty great play, the last in that poswar german tradition of die plebejer ueben den aufstand, kipphardt's oppenheimer. weiss's Auschwitz piece, all somehow with roots in brecht. actually one cannot pin handke down in that piece to a single character or position. it's too long of course, but then he knew it wasn't going to be performed very often, and peymann plays his work without cutting. that doesn't help. however, from an artistic point of view it is a strong solution to the problem of "drama in the age of film"... and it has the quality of the "model" that brecht's theater always wanted,too. it can be adapted to other instances. i suppose there are are landscape where the slavic spirit takes the form of a dug out canoe, mexico for one!!
Der Autor ist Michael Roloff, ein ehemaliger Übersetzer u. a. von Peter Handke. Eine weitere Stellungnahme von Roloff zum aktuellen Handke-Diskussion ist hier im Online-Forum der „Zeit“ zu finden. – Die Veröffentlichung der E-Mail erfolgt mit Genehmigung des Verfassers. Der Text wurde nicht bearbeitet.
HIER gibt es ein Personen- und Sachverzeichnis dieses Weblogs. Es soll als zusätzliche Orientierungshilfe zu den "Ressorts" und der Suchfunktion dienen.
Just a few comments. the title "gerechtigkeit fuer serbien" the editors of the Sueddeutsche gave to "winterliche reise", handke has disavowed those pretensions from the very beginning, though if you read the text, the impulse to disbelieve the simple media generated tale that the serbs were to blame was one reason he sat off on his trip....
"am felsfenster morgens" contains a couple of entries noting how "cold" people had become towards each other in yugoslavia in the late 80s...
there are some wonderful long stretches, also a lot of very funny stuff, in NIEMANDSBUCHT, about Yugoslavia... one lover in particular..
there is a lot of material at the http://handkeyugo.scriptmania.com site, also a couple of piece of mine in english... i was rather skeptical initially of what my man was up to, since i had spent three years in mexico, and i had to get back up to speed on that, best as i could, but then i had a university library, and the net... handke of course was extremely "tetchey" as the brits say... and blew up on any number of occasions... i think i have a good idea why... the way the entire debate is conducted with the foregone conclusion that m. was a dictator responsible for most of the atrocities... it just goes to show that there is no escaping mass medianization i suppose
one might look at the whole mess there as a matter of several discrete things:
the tenuous federation...
the tensions religious and political with the past being more present than it is say, in the united states, where the expression "you're history" means that you have been consigned to the realm of forgetfulness from one day to the next, and are not meant to hold grudges...
the failure of Yugoslav socialism to deliver... especially so with the bananas that everyone enjoyed in the west...
a new generation, who then became the para militaries of all kinds...that was one of the first telegenic matters i recall impinging on my being back in the early 90s...
the decision by the u.s. to stop supporting the federation with the end of the cold war. what was it 100 million or more a year. probably more.
the germans and then the french reconizing the centrifugal impulses, in the instance of croatia of a successor regime to the ustacha i think was its ww 2 name. i spent ww 2 in germany, secreted way in castles, until the very last year when it was fairly safe to live betwen bremen and bremerhafen.. and quite a few cities in yugoslavia on the radio dial appeared there with german names...
then the various intercessions by the americans lending military help to the croations to defend themselves again the serbians/ yugoslav national army which had the bigger guns and larger tank corps; the importation of some 4,000 i think mujahadeem to helpt the bosnian muslims... the dayton accords... the preventive kosovo war... to teach milo and the yugoslavs a lesson once and for all.... with the result of a ruined kosovo... a tenuous bosnian muslim state where everyone is being forced to live with each other, something that the people felt they could no longer do which is why they "cleansed' each other... it is very suprising really that nation wide, except for slovenia, so much violence erupted and that it took such force to put it down... roving bands of all kinds everywhere... it is not too surprising that it is so much easier to blame one man who from what i was able to discern from the trial did a rather fine job of defending himself but had particularly unclean hands in internal serbian politcal affairs, if anyone had clean hands.. i rather admire handke for his ability to think and write and experience in non-journalistic terms... and so i support hubert spiegels wish that he delivers his heine prize speech somewhere in absentia... but the way the "konsens" seems to have been arrived at in germany among the "greens" that handke is somehow guilty here. he's guilty all right, as who isn't , but of entirely other matters.
the stueck zum film uber den krieg is a pretty great play, the last in that poswar german tradition of die plebejer ueben den aufstand, kipphardt's oppenheimer. weiss's Auschwitz piece, all somehow with roots in brecht. actually one cannot pin handke down in that piece to a single character or position. it's too long of course, but then he knew it wasn't going to be performed very often, and peymann plays his work without cutting. that doesn't help. however, from an artistic point of view it is a strong solution to the problem of "drama in the age of film"... and it has the quality of the "model" that brecht's theater always wanted,too. it can be adapted to other instances. i suppose there are are landscape where the slavic spirit takes the form of a dug out canoe, mexico for one!!
Der Autor ist Michael Roloff, ein ehemaliger Übersetzer u. a. von Peter Handke. Eine weitere Stellungnahme von Roloff zum aktuellen Handke-Diskussion ist hier im Online-Forum der „Zeit“ zu finden. – Die Veröffentlichung der E-Mail erfolgt mit Genehmigung des Verfassers. Der Text wurde nicht bearbeitet.